OSR 005: pt.2 Interview with Blue Sky Creamery Founder WIll Schroeder

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In this episode we will talk about: I was able to sit down and talk with the founder of Blue Sky Creamery Will Schroeder. We talk about his business, family life, and what has he learned about himself.
During the interview I pull away seven tips I want to use in my daily life.

In this session you’ll discover:
Don’t tell me what I can and can not do.

Stay organized the way you know how.

Understand what works and what does not.

Trust your instinct; don’t ignore it.

Don’t be a know-it-all; find a coach.

Consider people’s options even if you don’t want to listen.

Enjoy what you are doing.

Links:

BlueSkyCreamery.com

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[spoiler]You are listening to the Operation Self Reset podcast with Jake Nawrocki. Now it’s time to find that reset button. Where did I put it? Here it is.

Hey guys, and welcome back to Operation Self Reset: the one and only place to change the way you think, act, and believe in yourself. And I want to say thank you guys again for taking the time to listen to this podcast. You guys have really inspired me to continue down this road of providing information for you guys to change the person you are to the person that you want to be. I have been receiving a lot of emails from different types of people emailing me about their fears, emailing about the issues that are going on around in their personal lives. And, honestly, it’s awesome. I mean I’m so happy that people are reaching out to me, asking me for not only help but for suggestions in improving their life. And you know what? Like I’ve been talking about all along in this podcast, it’s about talking to other people, getting different ideas, and seeing if those tips and tools can be put into your own personal life. So again, thank you for the feedback. Love it. Keep bringing it in. and if you guys have suggestions or you need some help in certain areas of your life, feel free to email me at support@operationselfreset.com. And I will personally get back to you guys. It might take a little bit because I have been getting a lot of emails and stuff like that, but feel free to email me anything, anything that’s going good, bad, things you need help changing, or if you just need a quick little tip to keep you on the path to success. Let me know, and I’ll help you out the best that I can.

So today we’re gonna be talking about part number two of a two-part miniseries. Part one, which was podcast number four, I told you guys about the story on how I went to a meet-up, and I was selected to drive to Des Moines, IA, which is about 5.5 hours away and meet with the founders of a brand new ice cream company. All I did was go to a meet-up, I stood on up, and I proclaimed my love for ice cream for about 30-45 seconds, and a gentleman picked me out and said, “You know what? You are the guy for the job.” Now, not to ruin the fun for you guys, but if you guys were wondering—cause last episode in podcast number four, I really didn’t provide any closure to what actually happened. In the long run, it was a great experience, all that stuff. I did not take the job at Blue Sky Creamery. I was not a manager. I didn’t start a new franchise here in the Milwaukee area. But it was a great, great experience and that is why I had to share tips with you guys on how to go to meet-ups, how to talk to other people, and how to make connections because this life is about making connections. It’s very good to continue those just good, old-fashioned techniques of meeting people, showing that person who you are as just a true human being and hopefully you guys can connect on a very, I don’t want to say intimate level, but on a very personal level. In today’s episode, we are going to share with you guys the interview that I had with Will Schroeder. He is the founder of Blue Sky Creamery. And this guy—put it this way: he was not born to sell ice cream, but what he was born to do was create a machine that made the smoothest, the silkiest, the best tasting ice cream possible. And that’s what he did. And sure enough, it rolled into him selling ice cream. So you guys are gonna hear his story. You’re gonna hear his motivational tips, his inspiration on how he keeps himself just going day-in and day-out, and at the end of this podcast we’ll wrap it up with a couple of to-do lists. And again, the reason why we’re talking to other people is to gain valuable information, to gain little tips that you and I can use in our daily lives to help ourselves speed up the learning curve, to streamline our lives to reaching our goal, of finding our passion, finding our true calling, and just becoming the person that we want to be. Please enjoy the interview and we’ll see you back in a couple of minutes here.

Will, if you wouldn’t mind just giving us a brief history kind of how you guys thought of the idea and where you’re currently at.

Well, in, before 1999, we have a spring event in Iowa State called [“The Show”04:19] where we’ve done experiments in the chemical engineering department to really showcase what we do as chemical engineers, and one of the experiments we did was liquid nitrogen ice cream in a bowl which has really been known for years where you pour liquid nitrogen in ice cream mix and you stir really fast and you get ice cream. The problem is you can’t make a lot. You can’t, it was in the corner of Sweeney Hall which wasn’t very centrally located. So our idea was let’s make a better display. And one of the ideas was making an ice cream reactor, we called it. And so we started the, the process of, of making a scale version of this bowl method and we realized, first of all, we realized it was really hard. And we also realized after doing it A) that no one had done it before like this and B) it made really good ice cream. So.

And did you guys enjoy custard growing up and stuff? Did you try the nitro ice cream before even diving into this or was it just?

Only in the bowl method.

Okay.
And really, we’re not ice cream freaks or ice cream fanatics or anything.

Okay. Alright. Perfect.

We just thought it’d be fun because, again, we wanted to showcase our department. It wasn’t because of the ice cream initially.

Yeah, for sure. Now when you were creating this idea and stuff, obviously you were telling friends and coworkers or other students with you, were they on board or were they like, “That sounds pretty crazy”? What was the reaction you got from those people?

From the, from the first one, actually for the display at the event, we had quite a bit of support in the department. And that really wasn’t, it was more of a Rube Goldberg type piece of equipment, and so it looked something that had come out of a mad science lab.

For sure.

Which was fine.

Yeah.

When we did our first event at the Iowa State Fair when we actually sold the ice cream and had to have a machine that was up to, up to health department standards and so forth, then we had quite a bit of doubting. It wasn’t necessarily from our department, but we worked with several groups at Iowa State who actually had wagers going we couldn’t do it which was actually motivating for us because, you know, don’t tell me what I can’t do.

For sure.

Type thing.

So when you were hearing that stuff, I mean, obviously it was motivating to you, were you kind of pissed off? Were you kind of disappointed, like these guys would really bet against you? Or, like you said, it was motivating? What was kind of going through your head when you heard about that for the first time?

Yeah, good question. This one department, and I won’t name it, but this one department was kind of working with us on the, they’re supposed to be there for the engineering. They’re supposed to be there for certain aspects of the technology development and really from the beginning of TJ and I thought they were moving too slow. And now all, I mean, give them credit, they’re a government facility and so they’re not known for moving fast, but kind of. We had the deadline of an August 10, 2010. We had to be ready to go because that’s when the Iowa State Fair started. And so we didn’t have time to wait and, and, and, you know, if stuff didn’t get ordered on Friday it wouldn’t be there on Monday and, and they didn’t appreciate this. And so it was really quick that we basically took the engineering all off their hands, and we used them as our purchasing facility and that was it. And so it was, it was, it was peers like that where we identified, you know, they can’t do this and, and, you know, it was frustrating but at the same point we said, “Okay. Well, we won’t have you do that. We’ll just do it ourselves or find somewhere else to do it pretty quickly.” So we found other resources.

Kind of sliding into a question of organization. Obviously, especially when you have a deadline of August and you’re trying to get things together, this is a new concept, so many things going on, what was a game plan? If you were to tell a friend of yours that was totally disorganized and they were trying to start a new business, what was your plan of action? Were you and TJ just on the same page when it came to writing down, set goals of, “We’ve got to order this on Monday. We’ve got to call this guy on Tuesday”? What was your plan of action? How did you guys stay organized during the whole process?

You know, what we did was early on, we did this for, for several things, but this is for an overall strategy, we made a Gantt chart, a strategy to, to determine what the critical path was for our launch date, really on August 11th. And then we gave ourselves a lot of leeway room because we knew that things didn’t happen automatically. And so, and so it came down to if we had, if we had to work all night we could still do that and meet the deadline versus waiting for a part to come in, waiting for an order to come in. and so, yeah, we did that. We mapped out the whole launch date and, and moved backwards. And then we had to kind of decide which was really critical to have done now and what was needed to keep going and moving forward.

Do you feel that you kind of still use that system today?

Yeah, in fact, in engineering, actually this isn’t something we came up with. This has been known for quite a while. But when you have a project or you launch, you know, you have a start date for a start-up of an oil refinery or you can launch a food product, that’s kind of how you do it and so we took, you know, we applied that knowledge to it. Now, when you, in this case, you probably have some people who, like, the, the people we were working with at Iowa State who didn’t necessarily have any skin in the game.

Right.

And so you have to find different ways to motivate them. In fact, there was this one, this one piece on our first ice cream machine that was a dispenser and it actually was, it was designed where you pull the handle and you get a cone of ice cream. Now, if anyone’s ever seen our ice cream machine, there is no dispenser; there’s no handle. And, and we actually went over to, we were working with ISU welding at Ames lab to make this piece, and, and every day we went over and every day they weren’t done with it yet. And they finally got done and it was probably mid July, late July, and it ended up being a $5,000 boat anchor we called it because it didn’t work at all. And so, and so we had to adjust. It was like, “Okay, well, we know this other thing works which is not ideal but that’s what we’ve got.” And so we changed our plans and, and rebuilt the, the other dispensing chamber we call it.

Just talking about your family and obviously both you guys have families involved and stuff like that. If you wouldn’t mind digging a little deeper into the issues that arose with starting a business, kind of traveling around, making Blue Sky Ice Cream a success.

The, probably the hardest thing and, and it was great, luckily, that our families supported it, and, you know, I thank my wife and my kids for, for allowing me to, to travel that middle point as much as I did. Because probably in the 2006-9 range, I did, or 8 range, I traveled to, from, from late June or mid June to mid August almost straight because I, I wanted to do as many state fairs or events as I could because I was [unclear 11:19] the franchise concept of the concession and so I was gone a lot and that’s tough on, on a family. So we adjusted after doing two or three years of that. It wasn’t good to continue if I wanted to keep my family, but at the same point, she was trying to be as supportive as possible in that. But, yeah, it was tough.

During the process, obviously being away from your family and everything like that and trying to make this company a success, were there times of self doubt? Did you ever think, “You know what? This isn’t working out”? Were a lot of negative thoughts pouring in and it was just compiling or how did you get past that?

You know, usually at the, at the end of concession season because that was kind of the big hurrah of the season where we were totally taxed on time and, and, and energy. Usually after that we did an evaluation of our different business models. Because if you think back, we had the concession business model. We had the, the grocery store distribution model, and we had the ice cream shop model. And really the, the second two—the ice cream shop model and the grocery store distribution model—didn’t work out. And we don’t have any of those today. And so we kind of had to break those apart and, and, yeah, it was tough because, I mean, just from a personal pride standpoint that you no longer have an ice cream shop and you, and people who say, “You should have this in grocery stores” you have to say, “Well, we don’t have it in grocery stores and we won’t have it in grocery stores.” And so, some of that takes place, but it’s kind of distilling what works and what doesn’t because at the end of the day, whether you feel bad about it or not, if it doesn’t work then, then there’s no reason trying to push a square peg in a round hole in that case.

This interview is meant to focus on talking about changing yourself and growing.

Yep.

What have you felt that over the course of learning throughout this experience because this is your first full business that you’ve started from ground up, correct?

Yep. Yep.

What have you learned about yourself and what could you share that could help somebody growing a business from nothing to something?

I, I, this is, looking back I wish we would’ve gotten better legal advice at the beginning.

Okay.

Because we went through probably three or four different lawyers and really the, the, the great mistake we made at the beginning is thinking the lawyer we had, which was good on some things, was good on everything. Because when we, when we started getting, when we finally found the right franchise lawyer, he was great. He was, he, he knew everything, and, and yes, he was twice as expensive but he didn’t spend four times as much time figuring out. When the person we had in, in Colorado was good for general things but not for, for everything. And so one of the things we learned was, you know, pick the right tool for the job.

Right.

So to speak. And then the other thing is, is probably, it sounds probably pretty simple, but trust, if you have an instinct or if you have a feeling about something, try not to ignore it and push through when you think, “Oh, that won’t be a problem or that won’t be an issue.” Usually things are an issue and so at least you have to have some justification, real justification why you are doing something a certain way instead of just because you ignore all the warning signs.

Yeah. With trusting yourself, when you felt those feelings was it hard to bring them up and say, “I need to look into this a little deeper”? Because so many times people have that gut instinct and they think, “Eh, it should be fine.” And they keep going and they say, “Oh man, I got burnt on that idea.”

Right.

How did you deal with that?

Well, a lot of it was TJ and I talking through the issue because we, we were, I mean, we’re relatively good or you have to be relatively good at playing devil’s advocate. And so even though you don’t believe something will happen you have to at least look at the scenario of what if this happens? And then, like I said before, get some advisors. And we had, we called them our board of advisors, and we had one from the franchising industry. We had one, one from the, kind of a legal financial guy and then we had a—who was our third? He was actually, he was a concessionaire franchisee of ours. He was also TJ’s brother at the time, but he was in the business world. And so it was nice to get some, some higher-level feedback when we couldn’t make a decision or when we needed some, it was something that was probably beyond our skill set.

When you were looking for these people to put in place, how did you find these advisors?

These, these were generally investors in our company. So we went out and got investment. We found these people and then, usually they already put a sizeable investment in so it was kind of only right that they were board of advisors because it was their money, but also we did consider what they brought to the table.

Yeah. And talking about change and what do you find out throughout this process, what did you find about yourself? As in, do you find that you’re more patient? Or did you start listening to other people’s ideas? What was it kind of that you realized that I need to become better to make this business succeed? Was there anything that you can pinpoint?

Yeah, we, I mean, throughout the years, especially in the beginning we didn’t listen to anyone and it’s always a double-edged sword because if we would’ve listened to all of the naysayers we would’ve never done it. But you have to, you have to at least consider what they’re saying and, and they can be devil’s advocate in that too. But consider what they’re saying, see if they have a point and then, and then make a decision and move on and so probably at the beginning we didn’t, we tried to listen, we probably didn’t listen to anybody. So.

Yeah. And during the process obviously you probably got burnt out and just overwhelmed at times. What did you do to kind of I guess separate yourself from the business and then also, too, how did you kind of stay focused and motivated and thinking, “You know what? I can create this. We can make this work”? What was going through your mind during those times?

Well, I guess, the first one, the first state fair we did I don’t think we slept for most of July. So, but, it was nice, I mean inherent in the business is after the fair is done, it’s done. And so you can kind of re-group what you’re doing. If, if you look, if you fast forward into when we did this full time when we weren’t graduate students anymore, I guess the hardest points in the year and because the concession season is seasonal, that was where we probably got burnt out the most. And so when that’s done, it was just inherent that we, I mean we just had a break, and then we physically, when you start working eight-hour days instead of 20-hour days that, that, that was our break, but.

Yeah. And your break obviously was kind of just to hang out at home, just separate yourself? I mean, obviously, technology is so incorporated into our lives nowadays. I mean, it’s in our hand literally.

Yeah.

Did you have to put away that phone? Did you have to step away from the computer?

Well, at the time and, and my wife, I still, I, I, to this day I bring my work home with me every day, so. But, but at that time I didn’t have a cell phone which was great, thinking of it now. If I had one, it’d be, “Oh my gosh, I don’t know how I can handle it.” But no, you have to, you kind of separate yourself. But honestly, I mean, we enjoyed what we were doing so much, I mean it wasn’t like a job. And so, I’m sure if someone would classify me as a workaholic I guess that’s fine, but it really was interesting and fun and so, and it still is and so what time I spend on that doesn’t seem like really it’s a drudging work.

Yeah. No, and that’s the best way. It’s more of a career than a job. Obviously, coming up with an idea and getting everything going, you must have been looking at books or got some tools that helped you along the path. Is there anything that you could suggest to average Joe out there that’s listening and saying, “I have an idea for a business, but it’s just so scary out there”? What can you say or what kind of tools can you give to them that would help them reach their goal?

Well, I am sure there are more tools than this but the thing like especially if you’re not a people management person, things like The One Minute Manager and, and there’s several books out there. I can’t think of them off the top of my head.

That’s okay.

But things like that are, are good just to get other opinions. Some of the other books like on, specifically on like franchising, there’s one called Franchising for Dummies. But there’re several of those books that really need to, you need to inform yourself about the business as you’re talking to your lawyers, as you’re talking to your franchisees or, or potential franchisees so you really understand what it is. And so whether, if you lack in management strength, at least you have to know what it is. Not that you should become the best manager in the world. I don’t think that’s possible. If you, if that is not one of your strengths but you at least need to understand the concept.

Right. Right. And to kind of pull this all together: anything else that you can think of, any inspirational moments throughout your time that kind of kept you going? Seeing the joy in those kids’ faces probably when you first had your stand in August of your first year, obviously that was overwhelming. I mean, you just felt great about yourself, I can only imagine. The joy that people were like, “Wow, this is really good!” And like you said, it was actually generating money which is also very beneficial. Any other moments throughout the last couple of years here that you can think of that really launched you into a better state of mind?

The biggest one, I mean even to this day and we’ve been doing this for, gosh, it’s 12, it’s our 13th year we’ve had stands and even to this day, after all the fairs I’ve done I still am surprised and, and I guess overjoyed or whatever you want to call it when people try our ice cream the first time and that wow factor. And so, I mean, that’s great motivation to keep going. I mean, obviously, when the fair’s over, when you count the money that’s good motivation too. But it, it’s that you really are making something that people enjoy and like and so that, to me that, that’s motivating to me to keep it out there and, and then obviously the other comments that people, you know, the fact that they say it’s fun or it’s, the, their whole [unclear 21:13] about that, that they have an experience and so that they continue to say they have one is, is it means we’re doing our job like we’re supposed to.

Yeah. And anything that you can share to the people listening, just a general motivational tip, a general inspirational tip? Something that you have just found out, even when you were a young kid, that you live by daily.

Yeah, yeah, I actually, I gave a, a speech comes to mind I gave at Iowa State several years ago now I guess is that “Don’t be afraid of failure at all.” You have to, in fact, one of my, my, one of my quotes from that thing was that, oh, how was, how did it go? Something about I, I, you know, you’ll probably fail two times, but if you fail, if you don’t try to fail three times you’ll probably never have any success. You know, what I’m saying is you don’t make a mistake, it might take you a couple mistakes to figure it out. And so don’t be afraid of failing and, and that’s great. You want to hedge your bets and you want to make it so they’re small failures, but at the same point nothing will work out perfectly and so don’t get discouraged because that’s, that’s kind of life.

Right. Right. For sure. Yeah, and that’s what deters a lot of people out there is that they have the motivation, they have the ideas about it, but the fear of failing and going, “Oh my gosh, all these people then for the next ten years are gonna go, ‘Hey, what about that idea?’ or ‘What about that business?’” And you say, “Well, that didn’t work out so well.” But in the long run, well, what did they do? You’ve got to think of it like that. They didn’t step outside of their boundaries. You took that chance and that’s something you’ve got to believe and trust in yourself to make a successful person out of yourself.

There’ll never be a shortage of naysayers out there, and so.

Yeah, very true. Very true.

So there you go. The interview with Will Schroeder, the founder of Blue Sky Creamery down there in Des Moines, IA. Thanks again for taking the time and joining us on the podcast.

And I want to share with you guys seven tips that I pulled away from this interview. These tips that I’m gonna share with you I’m gonna try to implement into my daily life, my business life, anywhere that I feel fits because these conversations are so packed with some great information. If we can kind of scrape on through and grab a couple of ideas, tools, tips to help ourselves kind of restart our lives, it’s well worth it. So here are the seven tips.

Tip #1: Don’t tell me what I can and cannot do. Will and TJ were approached by many people and told “Blue Sky is not gonna work. There are too many other big ice cream companies out there. Even though this is a different process. I wouldn’t suggest this. This is stupid. You’re gonna fail.” But, you know what? Both guys—Will and TJ—used this as their motivation. They said, “Don’t tell me what I can and cannot do.” You need to turn negative comments into the drive and energy you need to get things done. Whatever it is—personal life, business life. Whatever you can use to motivate yourself to get into that next level, to that next mindset, use it to your advantage. And if it’s using other people’s comments, take them! Use them and feed off of them. That’s your energy. That’s your motivation.

Tip #2: Stay organized the way you know how. Will and TJ used a Gantt chart to schedule events, meetings, and keeping their timetables current. Both guys already knew how to use Gantt charts because they used them in their engineering field. When they were going through college, they used this to stay organized. The tip that I want to pull from this is you need to use what works for you to stay organized. Everybody has a suggestion for an app, use a pen and paper and just write it down, and your daily organizational tips for the day. Whatever it is, you know what fits you. I am not a big app guy. I try to be. I try to stay organized with the applications on my iPhone, but sometimes it doesn’t work. Even though I have it with me all the time, sometimes I just really like to get to the old school method of just writing down a list for the day to stay organized: things I’ve got to get done, I need to call somebody. Obvious, I incorporate technology in there, but that’s personally for me. You know what’s best for you and stick with it. If you want to change your organizational process, go out there and do the research. There are 100,000 apps. There’re 100 different ways to skin the cat. Do the research. Just go out there. Read different books. Talk to other people that are really organized, that are really sharp on never missing a scheduling or their appointments. Talk to them. They have a system. See if you can grab bits and pieces from them and put it into your own daily life for organizing your day, your week, your month, or your year.

Tip #3: Understand what works and what does not. Early on, Blue Sky Creamery used three business models: ice cream stores, retail locations, and concession stands. A year after launch, Will and TJ took time to analyze what was not working. The ice cream store and the retail locations were not working out for them. So they put their personal pride to the side and they sidelined those two business models. During your personal building of your life or your business, there’s gonna be times you need to stop and reflect: kind of take a second and see the progression of your life or your business or whatever, and take time to see what is working, what is not. Just kind of recapping on tip #2, which is about organization, if it’s not working you need to change it. If it is working, stick with it. Don’t feel [unclear 26:31] committed to certain ideas. Adjust and become better and streamline your process to success.

Tip #4: Trust your instinct and don’t ignore it. You know, Will and TJ had times when they did not feel confident in their decisions. When those feelings arose for them, they explored why those feelings came about, and they understood and they learned never to overlook their gut feeling. They used real justification measures to understand why they were doing certain things in their business. Well, how can we apply that to our life? Well, obviously, in our daily lives there’s gonna be times our gut is just gonna be turning and kind of telling us to stop. When that happens, we personally need to take a second and explore the feelings and understand, “Why is my gut giving me these weird signs and signals?” And if we don’t stop and try to figure out why our body is telling us this, honestly, probably prepare for disaster. Because we need to focus and understand that we’re human beings, and with humans come emotions and those emotions will guide us in the right directions. We just sometimes need to take a second and say, “Okay, why does it feel like this is a bad decision?” And then you’re gonna go through your steps and say, “Okay. A looks good. B’s, eh, okay. C looks good.” So I’m gonna focus on issue B here and figure out what’s the reasoning behind it. So that’s how we need to understand the feelings that are going on in our body and justify if we should go down that path or we should change our direction.

Tip #5: Don’t be a know-it-all. Find a coach. Reach on out for somebody that knows more than yourself. Blue Sky Creamery had board of advisors. They hired a lawyer, an accountant, a person with prior business experience. When you encounter new territories, seek assistance. It’s not a shameful thing to go on out and ask people. It’s the classic line how men driving out there don’t like to ask for directions. Well, you know what? When you have to be somewhere at a certain time, you’re not going to just drive around aimlessly. You need to get the directions. You need to know the right way to get there and arrive at your destination. Sometimes, no matter what it is, if it’s just seeking health advice, if it’s business advice, financial advice, just goal-setting life advice, go and seek those advisors. Go on out there and do the research and find help because it will streamline your process, it’ll make it easier on you, and then also, too, you’ll have somebody to guide you along the way.
Tip #6: Consider people’s opinions even if you don’t want to listen to them. Early on, TJ and Will did not want to hear other people’s opinions. They felt that they were the only ones that could come up with ideas, the path to success, and the decisions to help the business. They soon learned to consider other people’s opinions to help them make wise and healthy decisions for the business, Blue Sky Ice Cream. Too many times, we think we know it all. I’m guilty of that, and I bet you are too. Take time to listen to others. Sometimes they might have better insight. They might have the answer you were trying to find. We can learn, realize, and uncover issues we might have overlooked otherwise. So it’s really beneficial even though your good buddy who is Mr. Know-It-All who always has a suggestion, who always has something to say, take a second and take it for what it is. If he has a great idea, use it. If he doesn’t, don’t worry about it. Blow it off. No big deal. Make your own decision, but it’s a good idea to hear other people out. They might have insight. They might have done something similar and it’s worth the extra couple of minutes. So that’s something I learned.

And tip #7: Enjoy what you are doing. Will and TJ never wanted to take time off from the business because they loved it. They loved making a product that other people enjoyed. Like we talked about in the interview, seeing the expression on people’s faces, the wow factor, just the smiles—that is very rewarding. Find what you love and you’ll never have to work another day in your life again.

There you guys go, the seven tips I pulled away from this interview. If you guys would like to see the links to get the information on the seven tips, please feel free to go to the website OperationSelfReset.com/podcast005. There you’ll find the links. You’ll find the seven tips. And also, too, some other things mentioned throughout the interview. If you guys also have other suggestions of tips that you guys pulled away from this interview, feel free to leave them in the comments section. And like I stated in the beginning of the podcast, feel free to reach on out to me: support@operationselfreset.com. We’ll talk. If you have issues about fear, issues about meeting people or just tips that you would like to share with the community of people for this podcast, we’d love to hear them.

So thanks again guys. Again, check me out on Twitter: OpSelfReset. And also, too, on YouTube. We have a channel there with some great videos. Have a great day. Make it a great day, and also, too, get a little crazy. Get a little adventurous and reset your life. Do one thing. Change it up a little bit. Take a tip and transform it into your own life-changing event. Just for today give it a try and see what happens. So take care, enjoy it. We’ll talk to you in the next episode.
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